by Chakresh Mishra
May 16, 2009Hopes are shattered and nightmares prevailed, UPA 250, NDA 160 : Share Your Views
So, the results are out and it is exact opposite to what this blog predicted. It is a major win for congress, in every state and every part of country. All other major alliances are decisively defeated. Congress says it is a vote for development and for its crown prince Rahul Gandhi. He did revive congress in UP as promised.
Still my biggest sympathy is with BJP, which is the party I voted for. A nationalist party. It is a loss of face for BJP.
But friends, There are times in history of a nation when all seem lost and looks like wrong forces have won the final battle. But dear friends, it is just a process, which goes on and on. 5 years may be significant time period in life of a man, but in life of a nation (that too a nation like India) is just a flickr of eye.
The time after defeat is not for grief and blame-game. It is the time to introspect and start preparing to come out as winner in next battle.
Though hopes are shattered and nightmares are prevailing, the dawn will surely come. It is not the first black day of Indian history, we survived and fought back. Let us do that again.
Tell us what do you feel, comment!
May 16th, 2009 at 2:11 PM
so BJP is now 4th party in UP, No party has declined so fast in any state as BJP has achieved. Now they urgently need a young and energetic face to revive in UP.
Varun Gandhi might do the job.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:24 PM
The main reason for defeat of BJP is that instead of having a concrete agenda of their own, they were busy finding flaws in congress’s agenda, countering that at every step.
All we can do is hope that they don’t repeat the same mistake NEXT time.
May 16th, 2009 at 2:56 PM
Mohit, India’s Demographies are getting altered severely.
NO Hope Left.
May 16th, 2009 at 4:09 PM
A surprise for everyone I guess. Even Congress didnot expect this neither did the BJP nor did the 3rd front or 4th front. But did India really vote a positive vote for congress. I dont think so. Chidambaram lost who was both the finance and home minister. Manmohan singh did not even contest the election. Congress gained in UP on Mayawati’s expense. All BSP voters who are traditionally minority voted for Congress this time since BJP was never their choice. There was only the traditional voting percentage for BJP which was not enough to get them their seats. In Maharashtra the votes for BJP-Shiv Sena were split with Raj thakeray’s MNS and that got the extra Congress seats and loss of seats for BJP. In Kerala and West Bengal, it was a vote against the communist state governments and only alternative in people’s mind is Congress there. So it is not a positive vote for Congress or Sonia or Manmohan. Some suprises are Sad indeed and we will see India going behind the world for another 5 years probably.
May 16th, 2009 at 4:20 PM
Hello Satyanveshi,
What will you say about Andhra Pradesh? Congress got positive vote here.
May 16th, 2009 at 4:25 PM
I believe it is a vote for Man Mohan Singh, for all the good work, be it NREGS, RTI, Several Public private partnerships to build infrastructure, and more importantly loan waiver (which is rather a bailout for the disadvantaged populace).
Congrats MMS and Sonia Gandhi.
Apparently, both LKA and Modi focussed too much on finding faults, and carried vilified campaign, Modi went far ahead and he should learn from Rahul Gandhi.
I’m relieved, that a stable goverment, and able leadership is going to lead the nation.
May 16th, 2009 at 4:43 PM
sad results for BJP. But “girte hain shehsawar maidan-e-jung mein”. We should still be thankful that we have a credible “Hindu-right” in India. Let the torch keep on burning for now in the age of “secular-darkness”.
Usher in BJP 2.0 to begin.
May 16th, 2009 at 5:17 PM
Hi Guys donot be overwhelmed as we say, there is a silver lining for every dark cloud,lets wait and see
May 16th, 2009 at 5:58 PM
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May 16th, 2009 at 6:05 PM
When Naveen chawla is The CEC, anything can happen.
May 16th, 2009 at 6:10 PM
so the evangelical government has came back in power with full force .
some days back christian schools were forcing kids to purchase a copy of bible . and people here went to have argument with them .
but now onwards i think we shouldnt argue with them . because they are ruling us now .
“BE READY TO GET CONVERTED OR GET CRUSHED”
“CROSS RULES THE COUNTRY”
“IT IS NOT THAT GANDHI WHO WAS GREATEST DESCIPLE OF RAM IS RULING ”
“IT THE GANDHI THE SLAVE OF CROSS WHO IS RULING US NOW”
May 16th, 2009 at 6:12 PM
so the evangelical government has came back in power with full force .
some days back christian schools were forcing kids to purchase a copy of bible . and people here went to have argument with them .
but now onwards i think we shouldnt argue with them . because they are ruling us now .
“BE READY TO GET CONVERTED OR GET CRUSHED”
“CROSS RULES THE COUNTRY”
“IT IS NOT THAT GANDHI WHO WAS GREATEST DESCIPLE OF RAM IS RULING ”
“IT THE GANDHI THE SLAVE OF CROSS WHO IS RULING US NOW”
May 16th, 2009 at 6:15 PM
IT IS THE GANDHI WHO DENIES THE EXISTANCE OF RAM WHI IS RULING THE COUNTRY
May 16th, 2009 at 6:17 PM
Ungracious in defeat indeed.
Dear SM,
It is ironic that you should chose to use ‘girte hain sheh sawar maidan-e-jung mein, voh kya girenge jo ghutnon par shale’. Because it just so happens that that saying is taken from a ghazal, a form of poetry originating in pre-islamic arabic verse. An excellent example of the pluralist nature of India’s culture and society.
India’s past cannot, and should not be contorted and stripped to fit a hindu mould. It is objectively untrue. This great nation has been built up by a pluralist society. The traces of this diverse past greet us daily, even in your own choice of words.
Whether you like it or not, India is a diverse nation composed of people of varied faith, castes, races, whatever division you want to apply. It is my belief, that a party that seeks to aggravate these divisions to exploit to it’s own advantage should be shot down by the people.
And the ‘nationalism’ that is spoken of. That spirit has echoed in other countries around the world before. The leaders invoking those emotions are well known. Their names are Hitler and Mussolini. They too spoke of economic gains at the cost of a minority community. The names have changed, but the tactics have not. The resemblance between the fascists of yesteryear, and the Hindu right in India is very, very scary. Make no mistake, I am in no way criticizing patriotism. What I am criticizing is a divisive slogan that unites one part of the populace, at the cost of another.
The only torch that your beloved hindu right-wing militancy carries is that which it uses to burn down shops belonging to a Indian community that it was politically prudent to alienate or to torch innocent Indian civilians who may have exercised their freedom of speech in a manner that did not agree with their interests.
The politics of hate, of one-sidedness, of uncritical thinking without reason must end.
Do not close you eyes for the next five years, enforcing the darkness you speak of upon yourself. Open them, and see the bright, united future Indians have chosen for themselves.
May 16th, 2009 at 7:13 PM
Media wins , India Loses
More importantly, CBN finished in AP…
May 16th, 2009 at 7:21 PM
Zahan, why dont you rally for Democracy and Secularism in Saudi Arabia and Other Islamic Countries?
for you Guys, Sickularism is Important .
Hitler was An Admirer of Muhammed.
Note that.
why dont you speak of atrocities of the muslims governments all over the world?
you wont, because, they arent atrocities as per sharia
May 16th, 2009 at 7:25 PM
zahan, united?
yeah, unision of Anti National Forces, unision of Evangelists and Jehadis
unision of Divisive forces
unision of shameless minoritu appeasers
unision of Anti Hindu lowlives.
for sure, India is Doomed and your pakisthan is smiling
jinnah’s aim of Dismantling India will be achieved by sonia maino and raul vinci combine
May 16th, 2009 at 7:57 PM
How do u still support the BJP after what happened in Gujarat and Orissa. Do u even have the power of reasoning? I dont support any party but I hate the BJP and its agenda.
May 16th, 2009 at 8:29 PM
BJP under LK Advani was a complete failure…I think Bihar and Karnataka are silver linings for NDA.But Varun Gandhi episode clearly affected BJP.BJP was always against Gandhi family and emergency .But now they were behind Varun and Sanjay Ganadhi (indirectly Indira) was such a pathetic situation….BJP needs to go back to its roots rather than relying a lot on allies and a few leaders.
May 16th, 2009 at 9:14 PM
Zahan, is correct, india and indians won. The divisive forces that had tried to divide us indians lost.
Long live india
May 16th, 2009 at 9:41 PM
@CHAKRESH
IT CANNOT BE A COINCIDENCE THAT
WHATEVER POLITICAL PARTY THAT WAS AGAINST THE CONGRESS NAMELY
BJP
AIADMK
TDP
LEFT
LALOO
PASWAN
BSP
MULAYAM
ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN DEFEATED IN THIS ELECTION AND ONLY CONGRESS AND ITS ALLIES HAS WON.
HOW THE HELL IS THAT IN SUCH AN UNPREDICTABLE ELECTION CONGRESS HAS MANAGED TO PULL ALL STOPS.
ISN’T IT A COINCIDENCE THAT NAVEEN CHAWLA IS THE CEC FOR THE ELECTIONS.
I DONT WANT TO READ TOO MUCH………BUT I DONT THINK THESE ELECTIONS WERE FREE AND FAIR.
THANK YOU.
May 16th, 2009 at 9:49 PM
@Abhishek,
How can you support the Congress after what it did to Sikhs in Delhi, or Hindus in Bhagalpur, Sidhpur or Malappuram? How can you support Mulayam Singh Yadav after what he did to Hindus in Uttar Pradesh?
How can you support a communist after what they did in Nandigram, and Ponnani?
How can you support a National Conference after what happened to the Hindus of Kashmir?
Well, you get the idea.
It all boils down to this: Let’s have our people on throne
May 16th, 2009 at 10:10 PM
you know I dont want to spoil the reputation of our country to be fair to the People who voted for Advani, the BJP should approach the Supreme court for a thorough enquiry into the procedure of Elections which 100% has been heavily rigged this time.
Down with 5 more years of Italian rule.
May 16th, 2009 at 10:35 PM
Yes Franklin, for You Hindus are Divisive forces and your communal Hate Mongering Filthy christian lowlives and jehadis are secular.
Franklin, should one be A Violent , Rep\ulsive Jehadi to be Secular.
India is doomed and is Doomed for ever.
Have A Hay Day.
But, remember, you are A Traitor to Mother India.
May 16th, 2009 at 10:41 PM
Saurav, Not just 5 but for 50 years.
India’s Days as India are numbered.
Manmohan Singh—- Prime Minister(Non Hindu)
A R Antulay — Home Minister(Muslim)
A K Antony — Defence Minister(Christian)
Pranab Mukherjee — External Affairs Minister(Christian)
Culture Minister — Ambika Soni(Christian)
Minister for Oversees Indian — Oscar Fernandes(Christian)
Finance —- P Chidambaram(Doubtful)
All Key Portfolios will be With Minorities
May 16th, 2009 at 11:10 PM
Lal Kargil Advani is done – And Singh is King – There is a god watching India. Learn to accept defeat – You had your day under the sun during the campaigning – now the people have spoken – Work with Singh – make the country Great..
My nightmare scenario has just disappeared and the first of many dreams has just come true. God Bless India. God Bless the indian electorate.
May 17th, 2009 at 1:15 AM
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May 17th, 2009 at 1:23 AM
Mr. Hari, what can God do?
Nothing.
This is Subjugation of Democracy.
Probably,some are going with “Blow with The Wind” Policy.
completely unfortunate
May 17th, 2009 at 1:29 AM
Hello all,
I think Mr. Chakresh should change the name of this blog as it it pro BJP blog, if u want healthy discussion u should be neutral on national issues…I have seen mutiple times that blog topics are pro BJP type….Advise to all..Be an indian before becoming Hindu..
May 17th, 2009 at 1:37 AM
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May 17th, 2009 at 1:51 AM
Thank you raj for calling me a traitor, i respect your opinion about me. But you have yours and i have mine. a lowlife comes in all denominations and they can be a Christian (as you said), a Muslim or a Hindu. A lowlife does not have any caste, color or creed. I am not saying a Hindu is divisive, nor have i implied a Muslim or christian is divisive. What i am saying is there are people in India or are dividing Indians and have taken upon themselves the task of conferring upon an individual as being patriotic or not. sorry, but this badge should be based upon the work (karma) one does.
Jai Hind
May 17th, 2009 at 1:52 AM
@ABHI
IF YOU ARE SOOOO INTERESTED IN A PRO CONGRESS BLOG WHY DONT U VENTURE IN THE MILLIONS OF PRO MUSLIM AND PRO CHRISTIAN BLOGS SUPPORTING BLOGS ON THE NET.
OR ELSE, WHY DONT U VENTURE IN THE HUNDREDS OF PDEUDO SECULAR PRO CHRISTIAN NEWS CHUYANNELS LIKE CNNIBN AND NDTV?????/
OR BETTER YET, CONGRESS IS APPARENTLY INTERESTED IN STARTING 10 NEW PSEUDO SECULAR CHANNELS…….WHY DONT U BECOME THEIR CEO???????U MIGHT GET A PADMA SHREE AFTER ALL!!!!!!
THERE ARE JUST 1-2 PRO-BJP BLOGS LEFT ON THE NET AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM.
PLEASE SPARE US THIS GLOOM!!!!!!!1
OR U WANT TO TAKE THIS ALSO AWAY FROM US?
May 17th, 2009 at 2:16 AM
@abhi
completely in agreement with you that we should be Indian first, hindu etc later.
Now on issue of my bias towards BJP. Yes, I am personally a BJP supporter. But while writing for blog, I try to be neutral. But as all of know that facts and values can not be separated by a person. I am no exception.
Though this post is specific to today’s result. Where I do have reasons to believe that it is a black day for India. We shall see that in few years. If you want I can elaborate on that.
May 17th, 2009 at 2:20 AM
Give A Lecture Franklin.
you are having your day.
NO Good Human Being can Ever be A Christian since The Bible is The Worst Book ever to happen had it not been Quran.
Your God is A Racist, Piliafer, AND SOMEONE WHO ADVOCATES, RAPE, Slavery, Loot and Murder of those who dont pray to your God.
If you have concious, you would first Apologize to Humanity for being a christian in A Country where Christians have Killed The Children of The Soil and looted our wealth.
Arent you Ashamed of Following The MOST Violent Death Cult in The Whole World.
Your Religion is The Face of Intolerance and Spews Venom on Indian culture.
go and have sex with your mom like your christ did or take someone’s help as jehovah took the help of Gabriel to enter 10 year old mary
May 17th, 2009 at 2:26 AM
Funny, a christian speaking about Karma.
your christ said , do evil , go to World Nations and whoever arent worshipping me are sinners , denounce Their culture and impose The Desert cult.
you have NO Concious.
I know how much money pat robertson and benny hinn have pumped in Indian Elections
unbiased Nature of Election commissioner, those who were declared as Lost later are given a clarification that they have won.
courtesy —- naveen chawla, a devote christian
yeah, Operation Destroy India has will reach full swing
go and “kneel down” before fathers tommorrow, and we all know for what one kneels down and that too in a cabin
May 17th, 2009 at 5:48 AM
Yes, it is sad that BJP has not done well.
But I am thrilled that Left has been wiped. Mullayam , Mayavati hold no meaning, even lalu has been humilated.
Paswan & Vaiko couldn’t return to Parliament.
CBN may no longer have any future and this might signal start of BJP in AP.
Arrogant Jaya has been slapped in face. Ha Ha Ha…
I think this is good time for BJP to do a hard bargain of at least 140 seats in Maharastra or else they can severe ties with SS, time to go alone in Maharastra.
I think there are many positives in this election.
Thumbs up for Yediurrapa , BJP got 19 (+3) in Karanataka, Returns strongly in Jharkhand 7(+6). Does will in Chattisgarh.
BJP needs to build grassroot organization in AP & Orissa by 2014.
BJP has to be pan India by next election so it can provide alternative to Congress at National Level.
May 17th, 2009 at 6:20 AM
AK Antony is better than most of the Hindu ministers in BJP ministry…When he was the chief minister of Kerala ,he always opposed the church and he paid heavy praise for the same. I prefer Dr:Singh or Antony over so called Hindu ministers (Lalu or Paswan).
May 17th, 2009 at 6:23 AM
Saurav,
BJP and its allies done in well in states they did good electioneering ….Don’t blame Election commission. BJP did well in Karnataka,Assam,Jharkhand ,Gujarat,Chattisgarh and ofcourse in Bihar….BJD did very well in Orissa. Don’t find stupid reasons.BJP leadership especially Advaniji is not popular and that is one of major problems.
May 17th, 2009 at 8:29 AM
I am a proud Hindu living in America. I’m actually a distant relative of Advani as I am half-Sindhi. I love this website. I love the BJP. Jai Hind!
AK is right. Now is not the time for us to blame. Now is the time for the BJP to unite together and prepare for the next battle! We need to overhaul their grassroots operations. We need to update their votebanks. Most importantly, we need to talk local issues. If we can do that, we will be a majority party again, and India will prosper. Lets work together.
May 17th, 2009 at 10:46 AM
Hi!
A real shocker – no one guessed the undercurrents.
But worse is still to come.
I have got reports is Sri.LKA has forseen an imminent split in the party and hence has decided to put in his papers.
Moderate leaders like Jaitley, Sushma Swaraj, Yaswant Sinha, Narendra Modi, Vasundhara Raje and other youth leaders blame it on the interference of RSS in BJP matters, which have led o this debacle. Swapan Dasgupta nad Chandan Mitra had forseen he debacle and was indirectly warning the BJP/RSS top brass thru’ their blogs/articles. (www.swapan55.org). These leaders want BJP to break free from RSS clutches. According to them BJP should dictate RSS and not the other way around.
They further argue that BJP should now try to stand on its own strangth in states like AP, Haryana, Maharashtra, TN, Kerela instead of depending on allies. Though this may not bring results in 2014, but can change the situation by 2019.
Some RSS leaders had openly questioned Narendra Modi’s capabilities in getting votes and have conspired to bring down BJP tally in Gujarat.
Add to this discomfiture is the fact that INC has got 21 seats in UP ON ITS OWN and 204 seats nationally. If we add TMC and NCP sats (both being breakaway factions of INC) the total seats polled by undivided INC is 204+20+9 = 233, which is near to the magic 272 mark.
These moderate leaders fear that if INC makes a real comeback in UP by winning around 40-45 seats, Bihar would not be far behind. In that case INC back to helm on its own.
In fact RSS interefence is mainly responsible for the bebacle in UP, Gujarat, Delhi, Uttarakhand, MP, Orissa and Rajasthan. Unpopular sitting MPs were renominated against the wishes of central committee.
If BJP still continues with its dependence on RSS – BJP is sure of a split.
May 17th, 2009 at 11:39 AM
I accept AK That Sri A K Antony is An Honest Man and He is An Atheist.
But, The High Command may force Him to do the work for them.
May 17th, 2009 at 12:22 PM
I hope that the Pseudo secular TV Channels are finally satisfied since nobody I going to watch these channels from here on…………Atleast not me.
With only a single party rule (—Sorry a single Family rule) with absolutely no competition at all, its just a bit boring.
These TV channels could care less since they are on the payroll of Saudi money, Vatican money and CIA
May 17th, 2009 at 1:10 PM
in last five years bjp was like a potato in cold storage there leaders were not connected to public .
first and foremost bjp should ask its leaders to work with the people in all ares .
fight for the rights of the hindus in all ares whether there is grounf for bjp or not.
make hindus prouds of themself.
work with the important people of each caste in hindus give them some responsibilities .
to make a necklace all pearls has to be put in single thread . to make a strong bjp and a strong nation all castes of the religion should be woven in single thread .
and wew need both thread and pearls to be strong .
to make thread and pearls strong we need to build strong caste based society with the high value in there hearts for the strong feeling for hindutva .
and try arrange the coalition of big castes in each state for bjp like lingayat brahmin etc in karnataka. because this will enable bjp candidates in any strong anti bjp wave also. work for hindutva is good but that some people should feel him closer that somepeople should be enough to get that winning in mla or mp elections
then only bjp can win elections
May 17th, 2009 at 1:27 PM
Hi,
I have told many times, BJP should create own base in TN,WB,Kerala and AP. Should not believe on unpredictable allinaces. In my opinion BJP has not lost at all. If you see congress+ got 100 seats in WB,TN,Kerala and AP, where BJP is zero. BJP should work hard and at least create defeat for TDP,Mamta and Amma.
Conress+ 260-100(WB,TN,Kerala and AP) = 160
BJP+ = 160
Both are equal.
May 17th, 2009 at 1:42 PM
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May 17th, 2009 at 2:01 PM
Well done to the Congress party nd I pray 4 BJP’s rout in the Maha. Assembly elections as well. Hope Cong-NCP is back 2 power nd not backstabbers like the BJP-Shiv Sena.
May 17th, 2009 at 2:03 PM
First it appears that there is another Person with my name blogging.
The BJP should do some serious introspection. I believe that some of the points given below should be seriously be debated by the party.
1. The BJP assumed that the massive price rise and general economic downturn will mean that the Congress will suffer the effect of being the incumbent at this time. The results have shown that the people also weigh the alternative and have considered the Congress better suited to manage the situation. This is amply reflected in the results to the seats of UT of Delhi.
2. The power of poppulism has been grossly underestimated by the BJP. The NREGA sceme has helped the Congress in states where they have ruled and also the loan waiver in many places more particularly AP and Vidharba.
3. The main opposition party must not depend on a negative vote as then it may be shared by other parties who thus split the vote of the opposition. It is necessary to build a positive vote that can be got only by promising goodies and delivering them. The BJP must do this to ensure that the states that they rule are not lost the next time.
4. The dismal failure at Rajasthan can be attributed to the perception that the party has played a political game by pitting the Gujjars against the Meenas. The numerically larger Meenas completely ditched the party mainly due to Kirori Lal Meena’s exit from the party and subsequently by the party giving ticket to Col. Bainsla.
5. The party should have accomodated the BJD even it meant playing second fiddle. The final tally of the party has suffered immensely due to the its over expectation in Orissa.
6. The advent of parties like BSP has meant that Five star class leaders cannot get votes in UP by simply bombarding them with loud speakers during election time. There must be greater connect to the Rural masses. Rahul Gandhi has managed a near miracle by his methods. Although this performance is temporary the Congress has now a chance to deliver to the people.
6. A major portion of the Champaign of Mr.L.K.Advani has been spent on projecting Dr. Manmohan Singh as a weak PM and presented himself as a Potentially strong PM. For whatever reason this has hardly caught the imagination of the masses and the events like the Kandahar hijack that happened during Advani’s term as Home Minister hardly helped his champaign as the opposition was quick to point out them. The common man hardly cares whether the PM is strong or weak. He is concerned with his bread and butter issues.
7.The Power of poppulism has been amply proven many times over in Tamil Nadu. The Rs. 1 per KG of rice coupled with the Vijaykanth factor has helped the DMK even though there was a general uneasiness among the not so downtrodden over the power crisis and family rule.
8. The BJP must really search out as to how they were decimated in Uttarakhand a state that they were in power and should have expected to do well. There is no better recipe than the intention to do good governance as can be seen in the results in Bihar where even Paswan was humbled.
9. In Maharashtra the losses in Mumbai and its suburbs were largely due to Raj Thackeray. This should have been anticipated in advance.
10. The huge hopes in Haryana were all proved wrong. The alliance did not work well on the ground.
11. Modi has also failed to deliver Gujarat to the extent expected and this could be explained partly to the choice of candidates and partly to his trying to cut the Patel lobby to size.
Thus said it is sad that the very person who set the BJP on its path of revival had to bite the dust when it came to his own election. The BJP now needs a new leader (not any one current set up) who can communicate with the masses. The BJP could do well to wait for its time and begin its new sojourn at the appropriate time.
May 17th, 2009 at 2:09 PM
@Saurav
I am not at all intrested in Pro congress blog, Pro Muslim, Pro Christ blog but certainly in a pro indian blog. I have siply put my opinion that instead of discussing who is secular or pseudo secular, or become a supporter of a particular party we should discuss the policies/work of government… developing india is not about uplifitng hindu only…how can we forget the contribution of APJ, AR rahman, javed akhtar, many more..dont forget if congress is having seats above 200 it is because of non hidu votes only..it is because of hindu voters who thinks MMS govt is certainly better tha LK’s govt..u r not hindu only in india. i have no ambition to become CEO of so called pseudo secular org.. .. ….If u want to discuss pseudo secular i can also do that….Thanks for ur comment…i am not at all intrested in such discussion on this blog(Promis for reason) but it was necessary to answer u
May 17th, 2009 at 2:15 PM
@chakresh
Thanks chakresh…it is really good to support any national party whether BJP or congress …..but all is not correct with any party whether BJP or congress or anyone……but i believe that is not black day…i am really intrested in ur elaboration….
May 17th, 2009 at 2:34 PM
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May 17th, 2009 at 2:47 PM
Hi Hari,
You can say BJP has done lot of mistakes. I think, BJP has done only one mistake, BJP should go alone in AP,TN,WB, Kerala and Orissa and should create big problem for Amma, TDP and Mamta.
May 17th, 2009 at 8:24 PM
BJP has no presence in AP. In this election, no BJP candidate campaigned in A.P to the extent that other party candidates. It is the responsibility of BJP candidates to bring the manifesto of the BJP to the people. Even educated people/house wives in AP have no idea of what BJP stands for. very few ads in newspaper/TV’s were carried out in the media. Even new party loksatta candidates were covered more than the BJP candidates in print and tv. Loksatta chief JP appears regularly in local channels. The more people know about BJP, the more are the chances that they will get converted to votes. BJP should selectively target urban pockets all district headquarters and educated people in AP. Most people are tired of rampant religious conversions but they are turning a blind eye. They want to align themselves with winning party although they are not benefited by COngress policies like Musilm reservations/2 rs rice scheme etc. It is those people who BJP should targe. BJP should start gaining some presence in the coming Municipal elections by having strong cadre. If Loksatta and PRP can poll so many thousands of votes, why not BJP? All disenchanted educated voters voted for Loksatta. BJP should soften hindutva stance especially in AP by appearing more acceptable to educated voters. Identify areas where educated people live. Do door to door campaigning. Don’t care about TDP. TDP’s strength will be reduced after 5 more years of rule. This is the time when BJP can start showing its presence. TV and Print Media should be used. This requires huge sums of money.
May 17th, 2009 at 8:29 PM
Raj,
No need to be over emotional. While most of us in this blog who were hoping to see BJP do much better are greatly disappointed we must get shattered and the need of the hour is to maintain calm and see how the situation evolves. The Congress can hope for a smooth run for atleast a year but mind you the economic situation is quite bad and may not change drastically in the next 1 year. The Govt. will have to to take hard decisions and the prospect of the fiscal deficit touching double digits in percentage terms means that the road ahead will be very painful.
The BJP must set its house in order and try to add masses based issues along with its core issues. Like the death of a grand patriach L.K.Advani’s exit fromn the national scene is bound to shake the foundations of the party with no clear second line leader and that includes Narendra Modi. For a party that rose from the ashes of 1984 and the insecure neighbourhood that we live in opputunities are bound to come for rebuilding the collapsed edifice.
May 17th, 2009 at 10:01 PM
BJP has no presence in half of the states in India. They should improve their presence in WB, TN and kerela. They should also improve in UP. Modi, Jaitley or even Nithish could lead NDA. In fact by using the face of Nithish, they can hold him with NDA.
May 18th, 2009 at 3:13 AM
My Apologies to the original hari – My name is also hari unfortunately.
Raj – You do need a cold shower — good Luck to you on Killing one and all – and frankly for a foul mouth like you- good luck on your success (and your foul mouth). You Lost – take a deep breath – introspect – You Have 5 years to reflect and come back for another fight. I am ready.
May 18th, 2009 at 6:34 AM
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May 18th, 2009 at 9:31 AM
The other hari, why dont you say the same to those who Abuse Sanatana Dharma and are well wishers of jehadis and Anti Nationals?
Name one good muslim or christian, you cannot.
And One can NEVER Show any Mercy to those with bible and quran.
you have NO Idea of the harm these two EVIL Texts have caused Harm to Humanity across the world.
Now, we need to End them, when they consider talks as our weakness, we have to teach a lesson to them in their own language.
it’s you who is the ultimate loser.
you are a coward.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:34 AM
Hi All.
Just I have gone through the series of communications going on.. First I need to congratulate the Congress for winning the election. The good thing is that they will now have all the full power to start developing the country without any constarints from Left, third or fourth. If they will done, they will occupy the parliaments for next few decades..
Secondly, this results shows a huge blow for BJP. Now their time to start analysing the raeson for loss in this election. They all need to restructure the whole team. My suggestion is that they will bring back Uma bharathi and give a good position and a constructive role for the development of BJP. Also they need to develop a good candidate for the party. Also they need to concentarte on youth which will definitely help the party. I will go with Sushma Swaraj. But I need the election only in 2014…
May 18th, 2009 at 11:16 AM
@Zahan, Franklin et all: faithfuls of the Hindu right have a party that does not bend itself to get your votes. It treats everyone as “equals”. Hindu is secular hence our pluralism is a truth, you bet if most of our forefathers had given in to the Sultanate long back, this would have been a Taliban area for sure. And we would have been living under drones and AK-47s.
As far as the BJP is concerned, inspite of the defeat, insipite of the fact that the media abhors them…we still consider it to be our political vent…long live the hindu-right..long live BJP
May 18th, 2009 at 12:09 PM
1. It is the third succesive general election that the BJP’s strength has declined. From 182 to 138 to 116 now. It took fifty years for Congres to decline..it took just ten years to BJP to decay.
Clearly something is seriously wrong with the policies of BJP.
2.Every political party which backstabbed Congress was punished by God and the people of India.
1. PDP in Kashmir withdrew support to Cong govt in Kashmir. Look what happened. PDP got ZERO seats.
2. JMM tried to blackmail COng several times. It got drubbed in Jharkand.
3. RJD backstabbed Cong. RJD nosedived from 22 to 4
4. Paswan backstabbed Cong. Paswan got a BIG ZERO.
5. Left parties withdrew support to Cong. they came sliding down from 60 t0 25
6. PMK enjoyed the fruits of power in centre for 5 years and ditched Congress at the last minute. they got a big ZERO.
7. TRS got off the UPA govt. midway, leaving Cong in the lurch. TRS got a severe drubbing in Andhra.
8.NCP was playing games with Cong, and flirting with Shiv Sena. NCP’s tally came down from last time. COng emerged biggest player in Maharashtra.
9. Samajwadi Party backstabbed Cong and SPs seats fell from 35 to 23
Those who stood behind Congress like a rock benefitted.
DMK incrased its seats from 16 to 18
TMC increased its seats ffrom 1 to 19
NC increased its seats from 2 to 3
May 18th, 2009 at 6:58 PM
I think its time for Shri. L K Advani to retire. Anyways this country is doomed, all the ho-hallah about we want change and lighting of candles after every bomb blast were a hoax.
I will not shed a tear for my country after any terrorist attack. We Indians have done this throughtout our history and continue doing- The path of self destruction. Shame on you- People of India.
Rest assured- Afzal Guru and Ajmal Kasab would be relishing biryani/pulao for the next 5 years.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:55 PM
Whats the big deal in shouting abuses…any TDH can do that…if that is what you guys want to run this site down to, I care two hoots…
at the end of it all, if you want to help strengthen the BJP, get out of your computers and get into the organization…else you do no service to anyone foulmouthing here…
Hope the admin to delete these useless posts…
May 19th, 2009 at 12:13 AM
Chakresh ji kindly take some action and deleted all those posts… Disappointment is true… but it shouldn’t be expressed up to this extent… I request all to keep them self cool and calm.
There are many positives overall of this outcome…. regional players are marginalized(in 2004, combined tally of BJP+congress was around 280… this time 325)… country is moving towards bipolar system… and if people try to work, they cannot be stopped by red flag bearers… and most importantly… its not the level of mandate that Congress party should become ‘NIRANKUSH’…
Even though BJP lost the election, some one has well said… importance of victory is best felt by the looser…
Now the BJP has clear 5 years to work for expanding base in Orissa and AP, most importantly without any ally, so the freedom of thought… rediscover itself in UP… try to penetrate in TN, WB and Kerela.
May 19th, 2009 at 4:47 AM
can someone please explain why the upa ruled states had no anti-incumbency,unlike the nda and left ruled states.
Can the central ec under congress picked nominees collude with upa state cms in rigging seats especially the close seats.Delhi,haryana and maharashtra congress actually gained
and there was a surge in tamil nadu in the last hour
even thou allianec math was higher than dmk and vijaykanth could cut into bothe dmk and admk.
I have not seen any article that explains exactly how the evm’s software work,who guards them before counting and whether they are tamper proof.All inid has a right to know
but english media are owned by congress
May 19th, 2009 at 8:08 AM
Well said AKS. Raj has gone completely beserk. It will do more harm than good to the BJP cause by such comments. There is alaways time to improve and that can be done only by introspection. Evidently there was something wrong for the result to be this bad for the BJP.
Like you said the positives for the nation are that the utter regional biased demands of thses smaller parties will be largely reduced. The extreme anti BJPism practised by many parties also opposded to Congress has actually helped the Congress and they may have to reorient their outlook to the BJP.
The BJP has over 100 seats and will have to perform the role of the principal opposition unlike last time when the left although supporting the Govt. appeared to be the main opposition party.
May 19th, 2009 at 8:29 AM
BJP should seriously consider expanding its presence in A.P. This state has all the elements that suit to rebuild BJP. TDP is in shatters. PRP is a no show. Activate the cadre throughout the state. Votes polled is around 3.75% this time. Concentrate on telangana areas. TRS has lost credibility among the electorate. Highlight the problems faced by common people especially roads, water and electricity. Let the electorate know about the river linking and Infrastructure solutions . Work with people. Expand media presence both in print and tv. Rope in celebrities to instantly raise the vote share. Most NRI’s are sympathetic to the BJP. Top BJP brass should organise world tours and collect sufficient funds. Publicize the visit well ahead. This is the time to look at new avenues. BJP’s expansion will be a work in progress for next 20 years. Aim for atleast 15 seats next time from A.P.
May 19th, 2009 at 9:12 AM
@Payal,
Regarding the elections in Tamilnadu, it was the election held by DMK and their family… Not by the election comission. What pathetic was, the result of P.Chidambaram,honourable Home minister. Almost he lose the seat by 15000 votes around 12.30 PM on the counting day and at the end of the day the EC announced that P.C won by 3200 votes… This is because the announcement came from the PM office that he will be the home minister whether he retains his seat or lost his seat.. Misuses the power of Home minister he won.. An another example was the result of vaiko in Virudhunagar constituency, the registered vote was around 7 lakhs 40 thousand and while counting the no of votes were 7 lakhs 63 thousand… Still a Miracle where the extra 23 thousand votes came from.. and Vaiko lost by 14000 votes… And the worst case is he was lost by Manic Tagore a Delhi Person. He dont know Tamil and he campaigned in a more of rural constituency(People only Knows Tamil).. Tamilnadu is now becoming like the Bihar… Same on tamilnadu.. I felt very bad for being a tamilan in this state…
May 19th, 2009 at 10:16 AM
Respected Hari and AK, when wel wisher was wishing for the good of Anti Nationals and Terrorists and when he shamelessly was supporting Jehad and was stating that jehad should be hom grown and a govt. congenial to the jehadis alone should win and not stopping there was Abusing Hindutva, what can I do?
Doesnt Quran Mention that All Non Muslims should be Killed.
Doestn Quran state that for every Jehadi 72 virgins would be supplied in Heaven?
Doesnt Quran state that every Jehadi is A Soldier for Allah, The Pimp.
Is it Heaven or A Brothel House?
Isnt moo-ham-mad a pedophile, Rapist?
Doesnt Hadith state that”if a Man Rapes a woman, irrespective of their previous relationship, they become wife and husband”
a few years backs, in UP, when a man raped his daughter in law, the maulvi’s judged that since she didnt cry out for help, she has to be punished, get married to her father in law and will become the mother of her original husband
this is what islam is.
May 19th, 2009 at 11:44 AM
Friends, I recommend you all to ban RAJ. Because this blog is not for sharing communal perceptions, but rather for sharing thoughts, ideas and perspectives.Everybody has the right to discuss which political party they support and hope to see it at the helm of power.But, Raj has started abusing people and is discussing ethnic cleansing and genocides. This is what he has to say to one of the bloggers “The Nation is Already Doomed Zarina because of muslims and chrsitians.Zarina, go to your porkisthan and and be one of the sex slave to your terrorist lowlife”.
I mean this guy is abusing everybody. If they wish the UPA Govt. what’s wrongin that. You may like NDA and someone else might prefer UPA. But, then he gets pissed off and starts abusing and threatens people.Decide for yourself about this RAJ guys.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:32 PM
Fellow Bloggers are Witness that I Didnt Abuse anyone unless unrepentant and arrogant Jehadis and their well wishing lowlives like zarina and you.
Arent you ashamed to be a Jehadi?
you dont have a life anyway, so atleast eat The Shit of Hindutva Soldiers
We Will Get Bhaarat Maata free of all you jehadis and it is possible ONLY Through Killing of muslims.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:36 PM
By Killing muslims, the pimp worshippers and followers of muslims, The World’s Population will come down by 1.5 Billion.
And MOST Importantly, The World Will Live Peacefully.
Like Zionists Hindus should Form An Army for Cleansing The World of Anti Human lowlives, i.e., Muslims.
May 19th, 2009 at 8:31 PM
hey Anti Hindus, if you have any Problem with the views expressed By HINDUTVA, dont bother coming back.
If chakresh Doesnt delelte the posts of you Jehadi’s and Anti Hindus.
This is my Last Post.
By Posting with such A slanderous ID, yuou Anti Hindu muslims pigs , the followers of pedophile show what you are and how you are brought up.
We Will Kill All Muslims.
Jai Bhaarat Maata Ki
Jai Hindutva
May 19th, 2009 at 10:29 PM
The blog has lost all sense of serious debate and is increasingly becoming a slanging match. Mr. Chakresh time to wind up and stop all the rubbish dished out.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:06 AM
It is a spectacular victory for the Congress party’s blatant votebank politics.Congress out stripped other secular parties like CPM,SP,BSP,RJD by stoking the Muslim appetite for favouritism.Just a few.The Sachar committee for increase in Muslim percentage in Armed forces.No hanging of Afzal Guru.First pick for Muslims in national resources.The PM could not sleep when a Muslim was arrested in Australia.A Muslim vice- president.A mammoth 24000 crore munifence to Muslim dominated J&K,while HinduMuslims have now shifted from all other secular parties to Congress.They are pragmatic,while Hindus continue to be stupid. Orissa when asked for funds was told by Manmohan that money does not grow on trees.Nithish Kumar not getting even 1000 crores against 14,000 requested for Kosi relief.
S.S.NAGARAJ
BANGALORE INDIA
May 20th, 2009 at 10:31 AM
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May 20th, 2009 at 11:16 AM
Dear friends,
Results are good for some and bad for others. So, there is no point accusing and abusing each other over this. We all are educated Indians, so let us keep discussion civilized.
Now the time has come when we accept the wishes of public and think how to work for better India from here on.
Let us forget and forgive our friends, who have in heat of moment said something wrong. Constructive discussion from now on please.
May 20th, 2009 at 11:18 AM
@ everyone
I have removed comments, which were not in good spirit. happy blogging friends!
May 20th, 2009 at 7:45 PM
EVM hacked in 50 centers
Subramaniam Swamy’s press release for 4/4/2009
04.04.2009
PRESS RELEASE
The Congress Party President Ms.Sonia Gandhi seeing the imminent collapse of the UPA has set-up a seven member ‘crisis management’ team of foreigners based in a five star hotel in Delhi. This is a serious threat India’s national security.
While the names of all seven members are available with me, I am gathering the detailed antecedents of these dirty seven. The first member identified for me is an obscure UK-based journalist called Mr.David Green who has written for London tabloids on “snack foods”. He was easy to identify because he is often seen-by SPG at the residence of Ms.Sonia Gandhi reading secret files being made available to her by some Ministers and bureaucrats. Indian intelligence is being blocked by the Home Minister P.Chidambaram from investigating whether Ms.Green is an operative for British Intelligence, the MI-6.
One of the tasks assigned to this nefarious team is how to doctor the electronic voting machines in about 50 constituencies by using dual passwords technique and by hacking via wireless cyber techniques.
May 20th, 2009 at 9:32 PM
I dont think there is any Need of having elections any more.
Like Banana Republic, it is becoming Banana Democracy.
Election Commission has gone back to the days of ignonimity(The Pre TN Seshan Days)
The Puppets of Those Running The Government are Installed in All Constitutional Positions.
Do we need Elections ?
Better to use that money for Developmental Activities.
Just see it guys, All The Elections from now on would be Won by congress and it’s allies.
In Bihar to Nitish would snap ties with BJP by mid 2010 and join hands with congress.
Democracy in India is A Sham.
May 21st, 2009 at 2:07 AM
If you analyze the voting statistics of many constituencies in AP and Tamilnadu, it is clear that something impossible has occurred. This was most probably due to massive fraud by rigging/manipulating the Electronic Voting Machines (EVMs). We all know that any kind of fraud is possible in India. Ask any expert, who spent some years in the high-tech world, he would tell how easy it is to break the EVMs’s embedded code and manipulate the voting. This needs serious investigation
the comment below about subramiam swamy alleging evm tampering shudl be pursued in court with the evidence he has made available
EVM hacked in 50 centers
Subramaniam Swamy’s press release for 4/4/2009
04.04.2009
PRESS RELEASE
The Congress Party President Ms.Sonia Gandhi seeing the imminent collapse of the UPA has set-up a seven member ‘crisis management’ team of foreigners based in a five star hotel in Delhi. This is a serious threat India’s national security.
While the names of all seven members are available with me, I am gathering the detailed antecedents of these dirty seven. The first member identified for me is an obscure UK-based journalist called Mr.David Green who has written for London tabloids on “snack foods”. He was easy to identify because he is often seen-by SPG at the residence of Ms.Sonia Gandhi reading secret files being made available to her by some Ministers and bureaucrats. Indian intelligence is being blocked by the Home Minister P.Chidambaram from investigating whether Ms.Green is an operative for British Intelligence, the MI-6.
One of the tasks assigned to this nefarious team is how to doctor the electronic voting machines in about 50 constituencies by using dual passwords technique and by hacking via wireless cyber techniques.
Regarding the elections in Tamilnadu, it was the election held by DMK and their family… Not by the election comission. What pathetic was, the result of P.Chidambaram,honourable Home minister. Almost he lose the seat by 15000 votes around 12.30 PM on the counting day and at the end of the day the EC announced that P.C won by 3200 votes… This is because the announcement came from the PM office that he will be the home minister whether he retains his seat or lost his seat.. Misuses the power of Home minister he won.. An another example was the result of vaiko in Virudhunagar constituency, the registered vote was around 7 lakhs 40 thousand and while counting the no of votes were 7 lakhs 63 thousand… Still a Miracle where the extra 23 thousand votes came from.. and Vaiko lost by 14000 votes… And the worst case is he was lost by Manic Tagore a Delhi Person. He dont know Tamil and he campaigned in a more of rural constituency(People only Knows Tamil).. Tamilnadu is now becoming like the Bihar… Same on tamilnadu.. I felt very bad for being a tamilan in this state…
can someone please explain why the upa ruled states had no anti-incumbency,unlike the nda and left ruled states.
Can the central ec under congress picked nominees collude with upa state cms in rigging seats especially the close seats.Delhi,haryana and maharashtra congress actually gained
and there was a surge in tamil nadu in the last hour
even thou allianec math was higher than dmk and vijaykanth could cut into bothe dmk and admk.
I have not seen any article that explains exactly how the evm’s software work,who guards them before counting and whether they are tamper proof.All inid has a right to know
but english media are owned by congress
May 21st, 2009 at 9:56 PM
I totally agree with Raj on Nitish Kumar….
Its written on the wall that he is going to snap ties with BJP by next assembly election.
But assuring one more thing… Nitish Kumar is not Naveen Patnaik
BJP’s vote bank is very intact… BJP already had sizable presence in Bihar much before Nitish rise… On the other hand BJP has build itself with very much dependency on BJD in orissa.
Other point is in Bihar opposition is very strong… unlike orissa.
May 22nd, 2009 at 1:12 PM
In Orissa too, BJP has got about 17% of Popular Vote this time.Therefore BJP is actually NOT Weak in Orissa.
May 23rd, 2009 at 1:17 AM
lk we have a right to know that our votes are not tampered with and investigation of evm procedure?So what is your problem?
lk,is purohit convicted already?In which court?
this is how stupid indians are.They have no respect for the institution of law and courts and innocent till proven guilty.
So u convict purohit without evidence wbut you have no problem proclaiming congress innocence despite its past record of lack of development.Congress corrupted governors in jharkand,bihar,goa,ntr-1984,emergency,swiss banks deliberately chose cec and qureshi and prez patil for 2009 and hire media for propaganda.
Yet purohit is guilty and worse than afzal and kasab.Afzal is indian and not paki and congress evms are tamper proof
and collusion between upa cms and cec is ruled out.
cutting votes is a different issue even raj thakeray and chiranjeev and vijaykanth did it .point is congress knew they were not winning till last moment so they had to win and their efforts landed them at 258 which is better than all exit polls except congress owned ndtv and ibn which changed them at last moment.
atleast get your facts right before becoming wiser than a supreme court judge and knowing everything about evms.Afzal is not a pakistani.
India has no hope with stupid yet confident people like u.
Even vishawanath anand has humility.
May 23rd, 2009 at 3:46 PM
Guys,
There is a major churning going on in the BJP, which may eventually split the party. It appears moderate leaders like Arun Jaitley, Gopinath Munde, Yashwant Sinha, Mukhtar Naqvi, Venkiah Naidu are now openly advocating a “secular shift”. Old timers like M.M Joshi are advocating a more hardline approach. Modi/Varun are also being viewed as a liability. This time the churning is going not only within BJP but also the RSS – thus increasing the possibility of a split. After all it is the RSS glue which binds the party (just like the Gandhi family glue in INC) and if the glue starts withering away, the split would occur inevitably.
The real danger of BJP going the Janata Dal way and the country returning to unipolar politics is haunting the party. BJP has lost 4% vote share over 2004 even after contesting 50-60 more seats; falling to 18% this time – at a time when anti incumbency should have worked in its favour. Other than Karnataka, Jharkhand, and HP, BJP has lost voteshare in ALL OTHER STATES. In Bihar, BJP managed to increase its voteshare by a measly 0.9% even though muslims and OBCs were solidly behind NDA.
On the contrast, INC has gained every where including the states where INC/UPA is ruling viz Haryana, Delhi, Maharashtra, AP, TN, Delhi, Rajasthan, Assam, as well as in opposition ruled states like Gujarat, MP, WB, Kerela, UP, Bihar etc etc. In fact INC has increased its share by 2.2% to 28.9% this time.
The biggest shock is from UP where the voteshare of INC shot up to 18.7% whereas BJP has plummeted to 17.2%. Based on ground reports BJP leaders fear that INC may well be on the road to power in this state by 2012. In Bihar INC increased its share to 10.7% from 4.2% in 2004. UP is no mean achievement of INC, which even Rajiv Gandhi could not achieve in 1989.
2009 results have shown that BJP is fast losing appeal in ALL states. In 1998, BJP had won 18.5% of the voted in AP, whereas it has gone down to just 4.12% in 2009. Its voteshare went down drastically in TN, Kerela, Orissa, WB also thus dashing its hopes to grow in these states on its own. In fact had GJM not supported BJP in WB (Darjeeling seat) the share would have gone down further.
In the northern states of Haryana, Delhi, Uttarakhand, Rajasthan BJP lost by huge margins.
The urban voter who was the mainstay of BJP is totally disenchanted with the party. UPA has swept ALL urban areas in the length and breadth of the country. Even in Bangalore, the victory margin of BJP has reduced to a large extent. These leaders feel that it was not the muslim consolidation behind INC but the urban / rural disenchantment with BJP, which has led to the debacle. Most of these leaders feel that there was a silent undercurrent for the UPA cutting across all sections of the society. No wonder NDA constituents like JD(U), Akali and RLD are blaming BJP for the debacle.
I have got ground reports that JD(U) is preaparing a road map for coming out of NDA and allying with UPA by August, 2009. The difference in voteshare of the 2 national parties in Bihar is only 2.8%; added to the fact that RJD/LJP would never align with BJP. A JD(U)-INC alliance would get around 37-40% of the voteshare resulting in a landslide for the alliance.
What the BJP moderate faction fears is that BJP/NDA would face the brunt of anti incumbency during the state elections of 2010-2013. Further if INC manages to win UP in 2012 and ally with JD(U) in Bihar, they can very well reach the 272 mark on its own in 2014. Success of Navin Patnaik has also acted as a catalyst.
One of the moderate leaders in the party had pointed out that instead of criticizing the media, it would be prudent to carry out a self introspection. After all it was the media which had backed the party even after the Babri Masjid demolition, Mumbai riots and had put the entire blame on the INC, which then ruled both at the Centre and Maharashtra. Media was also partly responsible for the march of the BJP to power from 1996 to 1998/99, when it was aggressively reporting on the BJP ascendance and INC decline. Success of LKA’s Rath Yatra in 1989 was also primarily due to the mainstream media. This had also attracted the youth voters in large numbers during that time and it became clearly the favorite party of the urban areas.
Some of the RSS leaders too feel that RSS has to reinvent itself to attract the youth and the lower sections of the society. It has also the shed the “anti-minority” tag. For achieving this, it may have to reign in the VHP and Bajrang Dal. They too feel that inclusive politics is the need of the hour.
The aam aadmi sees the performance of the government not though the leaders but on the ground level delivery systems. Similarly the acceptance of the BJP/RSS would increase only if the ground level cadres and local/panchayat leaders are acceptable. Even know the ground level cadres and local/panchayat leaders make inflammatory speeches during elections, which turn off voters. Thus, even though the leadership of BJP/RSS try to keep hindutva on back burner, it is the local leaders drive off voters unknowingly. Just when the nation started to slowly forget the Gujarat riots, incidents like Kandhamal riots, Karnataka anti-christian riots, Varun hate speeches rekindle the fires.
INC had also played a masterstroke by withdrawing tickets to Tytler and Sajjan Kumar, whereas BJP continued to give tickets to the Kandhamal riot accused, thus turning of urban voters. A small shoe throwing incident showed how these fires can be rekindled by a small spark, which BJP could not foresee.
Issues like Telengana, Gorkhaland also do not bring votes. Instead of pointing out failures of the AP and TN governments, BJP was harping on the Telengana and Sethu Samudram issues; which the aam aadmi perceived as “divisive”. This is even after knowing very well the UPA had put the Sethu Samudram project on the back burner.
The moderate leaders of BJP/RSS feels that unless they adopts a right-centric approach, and induct new faces, which appeal to the youth, it is a matter of time when the tally party goes down to 2 digits. Youth would be attracted to the party only if hardliners tone down their approach. If BJP/RSS does not reinvent itself with the times, the split in the party is inevitable.
May 23rd, 2009 at 4:28 PM
Hi,
BJP should understand basic of politics, then BJP can do anything. Congress has understood basic of politics( went alone in Bihar and UP). I understand BJP’s problem, it is last election of Advani( India has never produced leader like Advani, those who understand basic of politics).
1. Never compromise with base in politics. BJP has compromised base in WB,TN and AP. If alliace partner is very realiable then compromise with base up to a limit. BJP was very strong in 1998 in WB,TN and AP.
May 23rd, 2009 at 4:47 PM
Hi Raja,
You should learn basics of politics. What is fundamental principle of politics,
1. Never compromise with your base.
2. Have a permanent alliance or permanent enemity.
BJP is weak in TN,WB and AP because of Jay ho amma, Jay ho mamta, jay ho chandra babu naidu.
These parities broke relation with BJP in 2004. From 2004 to 2009 BJP was doing only “Jay ho amma, Jay ho mamta, jay ho naidu”. Why was BJP doing. These parties can not survive without the help of BJP and Congress.
In Orissa BJP did not do anything to create storng base. To have base you have to criticize to Naveen. Congress is very eak in Orissa. Next election he(Naveen) can not win.
Nitish will be fool of first order if he snaps relation with BJP. One day Congress will dump him. BJP will never dump him. There is only one stare where Congress is weak,that is Bihar.If Nitish and Mulayam goes with Cogress,In next election congress will win 350 seats all over the India. After 2014 election congress will not listen own alliance’s demand.
May 23rd, 2009 at 5:08 PM
Hi,
Haryana—- Good work by congress
Delhi—-Good work by congress
Maharashtra—- Raj Tahkre
Rajasthan— Inner fighting in BJP
Uttrakhand — Inner fighting in BJP
UP — Luck is bad and organisation is weak
May 23rd, 2009 at 5:19 PM
Hi,
Haryana—- Good work by congress ( Small state and near to Delhi)
Delhi—-Good work by congress( Small state and capital)
Maharashtra—- Raj Tahkre
Rajasthan— Inner fighting in BJP
Uttrakhand — Inner fighting in BJP
UP — Luck is bad and organisation is weak
May 23rd, 2009 at 6:38 PM
Hi,
Top 40 leaders of BJP should go in each and every constituency of TN, should have protest against DMK.
Tamils are being killed in Srilanka and he is worry about own family members portfolio.
1. South Channai — Sushma
2. North Channai — Arun
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40. Pondicherry—- Yashwant Sinha
That way BJP can create own base in TN. BJP should not do
Jay Ho Amma. and should go alone in TN. It will make morale
up for state BJP leaders and local workers.
May 23rd, 2009 at 6:38 PM
Hi,
Top 40 leaders of BJP should go in each and every constituency of TN, should have protest against DMK.
Tamils are being killed in Srilanka and he is worry about own family members portfolio.
1. South Chennai — Sushma
2. North Chennai — Arun
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40. Pondicherry—- Yashwant Sinha
That way BJP can create own base in TN. BJP should not do
Jay Ho Amma. and should go alone in TN. It will make morale
up for state BJP leaders and local workers.
May 23rd, 2009 at 8:54 PM
Yes Ritesh, But, BJP Polled 17% of Popular Vote in Orissa without any Alliance.
BJP should create A Strong Base Particularly in the tribal belt of Orissa.
In AP, BJP Should Hand over to New Young And Dynamic Faces Like Kishan Reddy and give retirement to Old War Horses.
In TamilNadu, BJP Should Really Work Hard.
Make Thirunavukkarasar as The Main Face of BJP in TN.
He has a good Knowledge of Tamil Voters.
Ask Him to contest for 2011 TN Assembly.
One should start working for Assembly elections now itself.
May 24th, 2009 at 9:32 AM
Hi Raj,
In Orissa, BJP is strong. I will say, It was a bad luck of BJP in Orissa, BJP has not got any seats. If BJP works hard the way i think definitely BJP will get 5 to 10 seats in Orissa.
I did B.E from M.N.R Allahabad( In my hostel i met M.M. Joshi). After that i did one year job in Calcutta. After that i did M.Tech from I.I.T Kharagpur. Presently working as Senior Software Engg.( USA based software MNC) in South Chennai(L. Ganeshan). Before that i did worked in Hyd(USA based software MNC ). Before that i was in Gurgaon(USA based software MNC) and Noida(France based software MNC).
BJP is better than Congress in three aspect.
1. Economic aspects
2. Unity of Country
3. Security of Country
I can not explain it, becuase it is big topic.
Advani’s achievement
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1. Advani has given democracy(congress was using 356 and now congress can not use 356 easily because of BJP) to India.
2. He( supported Atal Bihari as PM, but he faced all the challenges) is real well wisher of party.
3. Advani( if muslims population will go more than hindus, division of India is possible,not worry about muslims votes,brought pota, opposed 370, 370 is the Kasmir’s problem) has given security to country.
4. Advani(Infrastructure–> River linking, ports, NHs etc., Power Plants, Railways, Airports) has given developement to country.
5. He is very bold and politically strong( River linking is not easy plan, there is need of very strong political desire,Advani is having that desire, explosion of Neuclear blast)
Till now india has not got leader like Advani(better than Atal Bihari). This person has got this level from nothing. This is the great achievement of Advani.
Rahul’s achievement is, he is son of former PM and belongs to Gandhi’s family. No achievements. If any other person gets this status, he can do same thing or may be better than Rahul. Bacause of Rahul there is unity in Congress. Congress has seen very bad time without Gandhi’s family). No leader in congress will oppose Rahul Gandhi.
To create organisation like congress is not simple job. Advani(created BJP) has done it. I think, India will never get person like Advani in future.
May 24th, 2009 at 9:48 AM
@Raj,
I accept raj that BJP would definitely work hard to start the innings in Tamilnadu.. When I discuss with the peoples in the organization, educated peoples they prefer BJP than congress, DMK, AIADMK. Educated youths prefer arun jaitley,Yaswath, apart from PRO-RSS leaders like modi etc… Definitely Tamilndu needs a good leader, star icon for the development of party. Also they should come forward to work for the peoples… I don’t want the rapid development… They should create a strong vote base in Kanyakumari, Coimbatore, Trichy where the BJP has the potential to develop..
May 24th, 2009 at 10:16 AM
@ Nick,
I completely agree nick that something was wrong on the Electronic Voting Machine… Ofcourse, the Naveen chawla, he is not a Election commission head, he is a congress person…In Tamilnadu, the voting machine was programmed in such a way that if some one clicks the double leaf symbol(AIADMK) the beep sound and Light came from raising Sun symbol (DMK)… Even Technology wise developed Countries like USA,UK were still followed the paper ballot system while we practice Electronicaly… Another important fact is that after introducing the EVM in Tamilnadu, AIADMK never won the election…
May 24th, 2009 at 11:38 PM
Instead of finding out stupid reasons ,BJP leaders and cadres need to work hard to expand its base .Otherwise the party will never been in power again….Some BJP supporters are so sad about Vaiko’s loss in TN.(even Vaiko and his party accepted the defeat) .I am more worried and upset about the loss in Kanyakumari where even the Mallu Hindu voters voted to DMK over BJP and CPM. The opportunistic opposition alliance made things worse for ADMK. BJP needs to try hard to build a bridge with ADMK to win a few seats in TN.Regarding the election allegations ,there were serious allegations against reddy brothers and their involvement in the outcome of Bellary seat as every one knows his sister Santhi actually lost the election by big margin.
May 25th, 2009 at 9:09 AM
Hi Satish,
BJP should not have any relation with Amma.BJP should go alone in TN and it may have alliance for only 10 seats with small parties. If BJP wants to have relation with Amma, it should be 50%-50% seats. BJP has to build base in TN. I am telling, If BJP is able to get 20% votes in 20 seats of TN, then after the death of Karunanidhi, lot of strong leaders of DMK and AIADMK may join BJP. It happens in politics.
1. BJP should have realiable alliance or oppourchunistic( not the cost of base)
2. Amma can not survive without the help of BJP.
3. Naidu can not survive without the help of BJP.
4. Mamata can not survive without the help of BJP.
BJP will have to drop jay ho ammma, jay ho chandrababu, jay ho Mamta,
May 25th, 2009 at 4:59 PM
Mr. Satish, Vaiko’s Loss Was A Shocker.
It was a clear Vengeance shown by the karunanidhi family which conducted the elections in TN.
People Expressing Shock over Vaiko’s Defeat has Nothing to do with being Pro BJP or otherwise.
It just reflects the Death of Democracy and A Mockery of Electoral Process in TamilNadu.
May 30th, 2009 at 9:19 AM
I am from TN and recently casted my vote in Pollachi in favour of AIADMK. As expected ,ADMK won the seat.I didn’t see any election fraud as most of the seats the results were as expected.In every election ,there are a few seats where the results might be differnt from what media predicts. It happened in 1998 and 1999 elections in TN.Just by seeing Vaiko’s loss ,don’t label entire TN election was a fraud.
May 31st, 2009 at 10:04 PM
I foresee An Alliance of JD(U)-Congress and LJSP for 2010 Bihar Assembly Elections.
This Would Sound Alarm for BJP.
BJP Leaders in Bihar should Take Note of This and Seriously Start Preparing to Fight The Elections Independently from Now on.
For Jharkhand too, BJP Should Not remain Complacent and BringBack Babulal Marandi into BJP’s Fold.
BJP though has Won 8 out of 14 Lok Sabha Seats in Jharkhand, BJP Polled Only 27 % of Popular Vote.Therefore, BJP should Make sure that They would Poll over 35% in Jharkhand as Congress-JMM-LJSP-JD(U) combine has A Good Percentage of around 32% in Jharkhand.
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