by Chakresh Mishra
Sep 2, 2006Kitne Pakistaan??? : division of a society
Not one week before I was sitting in the SAC (student activity centre) of IITK….taking part in counting process of gymkhana bi-elections heard our DOSA saying that we will have 850 students in one UG batch from now on and similarly in PG’s also.He told that they are planning to build a hall 10 with six storey and there will be many new LHC 
,then someone asked sir!who will teach in those LHCs…….He smilled….and left….yeah we do not have enough faculty!!!!!
what is this ???? why IIT’s are going to pay???
do’nt know……but I know that there is a possibility that in hall2 and hall3(I love it) there will be 3 students in one room……..buhuhu…kay karen !jab 25 saal baad aayenge tab ek room mein 4-5 bachche to milenge hi………sahi hai khandan badh jaayega!
seeing a bigger picture it will be a fucked up nation………..
There was a time when the Mughals invaded India and plundered, slaughtered and converted. Thus came about Indian Muslims.Then the British invaded India and plundered more, slaughtered less and converted too. But what they did best was they divided India along all sorts of lines – religion, caste, language, region etc.
And Indians despised the British Raj for this. These pale-skinned honkies came and taught us Indians to fight amongst ourselves and kill our own brothers.
And then they all left, the Mughals got assimilated and the British left India to the dark-skinned people. All this we call history.
But what does not seem to have left us is the British policy. Not only in all public spheres as economy, law, education and government do we ape them, but we also seem to have clung on to their very undesirable policy of Divide-and-Rule.
Best seen in the political sphere, which therefore influences everything else, India’s lawmakers are very keen to carve votes out of Bharat Mata by slicing and mutilating her.
Reservations. ……One thing that the politicians have learnt is to reserve quotas in education and employment for all those communities that stick together to form vote banks. So the communities that are very well-knit such as the tribals, many occupational castes, and the lucrative chunk of Muslims get covered.
So Congress tells Muslims that Hindus are ill-treating them; BSP, RJD, DMK etc. tell the “lower” castes that they have to fight the “higher” castes; regional parties ask their people to fight those from other states such as Shiv Sena is against Biharis; and DMK asks the Tamilians to fight Hindi-speaking North India! (Aur hum padhe likhe log vote dena tak nahi jaate……what a pity!!!!)
And yet we have the temerity to harp on “Unity in Diversity”. Whither unity? With what in mind are we flooding every page of school textbooks with this meaningless phrase “Unity in Diversity”?
The latest to attack this evanescent unity is the Congress Party’s or Arjun Singh’s pet theme of reservations for Muslims and the so-called “lower” castes in IITs, IIMs and other Central Universities, preceded by the fervent race to give Aligarh Muslim University “minority” status.
How many more Pakistans and Bangladeshs are going to be carved out of India?
plzzzz do comment……….
March 17th, 2007 at 10:19 AM
Hi there,
This post is interesting. It looks quite standardised. I’ve come across opinions from a lot of friends and the like who hold the similar opinion. Let me point out a few things one by one.
+ About the Aryan Invasion Theory:
While it is true that it’s not a confirmed fact – for the simple reason that it has been at least 2000 years and we do not concrete proof everyone can agree upon, we cannot totally deny it either. This is basically a question of whether you are on Frawley’s side or Witzel’s side. (Wikipedia will help you here).
If you follow the arguments these two have been through I’m sure your opinions would become a more skeptic henceforth.
+ About the Muslim Invasion: It is true that most of them plundered Hindu places of worship and forced conversions. But, the fact is that with time most rulers realized the importance of a state ruler. They began to respect the faith of the resident Hindu’s once they realised their peacefulness – classic examples are Akbar and Tipu Sultan in the southern part of the country who actually fought against the British for his people (who weren’t exclusively Muslim).
+ About the British causing a rift on the lines of “religion, caste, language, region etc.”:
Even before the British came, Christianity, Islam, Sufism, Buddhism, Jainism (and more) existed in the country. While most of the common man’s classes were living peacefully, the higher strata of Hinduism in particular were never happy with the other religions around them even before the British came. The British just saw the opportunity and made use of it – I hope that was clear. Talking about case, have you ever wondered why a religion such as Hinduism had to give up on a few people who ended up converting to other religions? Do you know why Buddhism or Jainism was born before the birth of Christ? I’m sure Buddha and Jaina did NOT mass-convert people to their religion. Once you realise why I don’t need to go any furthur. Blaming the British for our own fault isn’t going to fool many. Of course, I know the other argument which comes up in such situations – what about the forced conversions of Goan Portuguese or the first Islamic Invaders?(*) Here it’s a question of numbers. Buddhism and Jainism literally tore apart the Hindu fabric leaving only the well to do castes remain as Hindus – of such magnitude that it called for the Hindu reformist movement!. The recent conversions(*) were nothing compared in magnitude. True that members of the Brahmin caste were forced into conversions in Goa – but what can you say?
In the hope that India soon realizes the importance of the teachings of Buddha,
Naresh V
March 17th, 2007 at 2:21 AM
I’m going to give it some thought.I’ve been schooled in secular humanism and I have diverted from it in the sense that I’m a Muslim woman and need to inhabit that identity first in order to try and approach and understand, then cohabit with other faiths.
Colonisation left us many many bad things, and did some good as well.My picture “Decolonise yourself” is about trying to recognise the impact of colonisation on your psyche , deconstruct and then reconstruct yourself from that legacy.
September 4th, 2006 at 11:44 PM
sure, better still let’s meet sometime and discuss it face to face.
September 4th, 2006 at 9:43 PM
dear sarfu!
I request you to check my blog back after two or three days …… right now time is a bit less than usual.Also we are diverting the issue of the post.After 2-3 days I will write a new article about what i think about hindu-muslim-blah-blah issues with ration thinking.Please check that also and there we will disscuss this point
September 4th, 2006 at 8:35 PM
The point I wish to make is that the claim that someone is the original inhabitant of India and that all others are not is absurd. Let me not put it across using the Aryan theory. Let me put it like this. Is it not a fact that various tribes poured into the Indo-Gangetic plains through various passes in the North Western Himalayas. Kanishka is one such example of a ruler. What I want to point out is that there had been a steady stream of migration to the Indo Gangetic plains throughout the 1st millennium of the time after Christ. Similar migration happened during the second millennia as well. Now, as we stand today, calling somebody an original inhabitant and another one a migrant or more offensively an invader is untenable. Such a classification is not needed. And what cogent grounds does anybody have for such a classification.
The theory that is loosing grounds is: that all the so called Indo Aryan languages have a common origin; that people across India, Iran and as far west as Germany have a common origin. The theory that there were large scale migrations into the Indo Gangetic plains is the accepted theory. As far as evidences are concerned, pick up any book on Indian Anthropology and it will give you the roots of the Indian people. I will not be able to help you on that.
That Babri Masjid was built on a plundered Ram Temple is a matter sub judice. I should not go into that debate, but assuming it is, now what do we do? How many buildings do we go and demolish claiming that they are built on the ruins of some other building? And even if somebody wants to lay a claim to a piece of land, then we have a judicial system in place that is there to decide the veracity of any such claim. Under what law of the Indian state, or any other state do a bunch of thugs take the law into their hand and go and do whatsoever they feel like. Tomorrow if somebody stands up and claims that Taj Mahal is built on the ruins of a mosque or a church; do we allow another group of thugs to demolish it.
And believe me that no monument in India is mocking the feelings of any section of the Indian population. The ordinary people do not take it to be so, unless it is fooled into the belief. I’m pained that educated people are putting forward such irrational arguments. As an educated person I would love to see our monuments as our heritage, our history; whoever the builder might be.
Jiziya was imposed by Aurangzeb, it was not there before him. The ruins in Indian village you talk about; have those temples fallen due to the vagaries of weather or due to plundering is not known. And to point out another fact, there are a lot of ruins that were originally mosques, in the Indian villages as well.
I am not a Congress supporter, you are getting it wrong. Congress rule also had a lot of riots, and they too should be equally condemned. I am pained to hear that Gujrat was the ‘only’ case. That Gujrat happened is shameful for the Indian polity but even more shameful is the fact that the state was hand in gloves with the people perpetrating the shameful crimes. I do not say this; this is brought out in the reports of the NHRC, NCW etc.
In the end, we have a lot of more pressing problems in our country and if the educated people of the country start cribbing over such inconsequential issues, then it’s bad news. That a hundred years back some community did something wrong to me and now I’ll revenge is an irrational outlook, it’s taking the clock back. We can and should strive for a better future of the nation of our nation. That is what my request is, instead of quibbling over the past. That will not solve any worthwhile purpose, just increase our troubles.
PS: Please try not to give the discussion a communal color. I know Mughals were Muslims.
September 4th, 2006 at 7:28 AM
Excellent post. The students have to unfortunately face the situation because the politicians did not have the foresight to open more educational institutions in time just as they did not plan our towns and cities well.
The basic issue here is how to stem political populism. You have rightly pointed out that just for short term parochial considerations, the politicans make an issue out of a non-issue just to indulge in vote-bank politics. Instead of focusing on ideas of development, all they can think of is arousing emotions on stupid non issues.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:00 PM
kanha>> way to go dude for pointing out that the aryan invasion theory has never been proved. and ur article was pretty sensibly written.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:45 AM
@amit
may be it is just matter of time……the wheel of time will revolve again.and I hope that I will see a INDIA in not so divided state in my own life time
@Mr. India
why not……they are doing….just need your help….if you think you are responsible
@surfu
actually “aryans invade india” is not a confirmed fact (even opposite is true that now this theory is loosing its’ ground) as compared to mughal(read as muslim) invasion.now as far as mughals are concerned demolition of temples “was” a state policy(Akbar may be exceptional).and also before mughals all other muslim invaders adopted same policy(ghajnavi and gauri are examples only)…..evidences you can find in every village and city of northern india……….I am agree with you that mughals settled down in INDIA….i have written it.
after reading your reply i start to think that may be demolition of temples of one faith,attack on major religious symbols of one faith,applying extra taxes on followers of one faith is a new definition of plurality.
now about second part of your reply……
you are right that majority muslims are original (as hindus) inhabitants of INDIA.but who can deny that babri masjid was build on plundered Ram mandir,in mathura and kashi jama masjid is still there to mock hindus.Also “that” chunk ruled INDIA when there was “only” gujraat riots and that is really a bad spot on their faces.What about congress ……. uncountable no. of riots in INDIA……and they warn muslims against hindus….that’s why i used congress’s name…..although all other parties are same.pseudo-secularists…….
“”"it is a chunk which against all anthropological evidence is believing and trying to make people believe that they are the ‘original’ inhabitants of the country”"”
I will love to know such evidences
September 3rd, 2006 at 5:26 AM
“Mughals invaded India and plundered, slaughtered and converted.” If u choose to distort this why forget the time when the Aryans came and slaughtered and pushed the indigenous people down south and transformed the remaining ones into untouchables. Is that not the cause of all the reservation gimmick that we are facing today? Mark Twain once said “Get the facts first and you can distort them later” . Let me point out that Mughals came and settled down, the plundering and slaughtering was done by Mahmud Ghaznavi. Additionally, the policy of proselytization was “not” a state sponsored policy during the Mughal rule, with the exception of probably Aurangzeb. Conversion and state sponsored conversion are two entirely different things, the former could be due to a plurality of reasons, and that is what happened, according to the largely accepted version of Indian history both in India and abroad.
“So Congress tells Muslims that Hindus are ill-treating them”; who else is the congress composed of. The congress is nobody to tell Muslims who is ill treating them. It’s events like Gujrat, that tell Muslims that there is a chunk, a minority chunk in the Hindus that is bent upon fanaticism, it is a chunk which against all anthropological evidence is believing and trying to make people believe that they are the ‘original’ inhabitants of the country and all others are invaders who pillaged and plundered India. These people even forget the elementary fact that the majority Muslims in the country did not come from outside; and that they are converts from the people who were already residing here. And it is this minority chunk that should be opposed, because whenever and wherever it comes to power events like Babri Masjid demolition and Gujrat take place. It is this chunk that Muslims are opposed to.
September 3rd, 2006 at 4:37 AM
So why not we the responsible people are taking over and do the all justice!!
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:50 PM
I am not a IITian.But agree with you that all the upper castes need to stand up and make a political storm to change this situation
later…..